{"id":4341,"date":"2012-04-05T16:19:59","date_gmt":"2012-04-05T20:19:59","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blogs.vassar.edu\/rosso\/?page_id=4341"},"modified":"2012-11-27T16:42:38","modified_gmt":"2012-11-27T21:42:38","slug":"e-138-anonymous-venus-and-minerva","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/pages.vassar.edu\/rosso\/catalogues\/engravings\/e-138-anonymous-venus-and-minerva\/","title":{"rendered":"E.138 Venus and Minerva"},"content":{"rendered":"<div id=\"attachment_4342\" style=\"width: 233px\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\"><a href=\"http:\/\/pages.vassar.edu\/rosso\/files\/2012\/04\/E.138-Venus-and-Minerva-Paris.jpg\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-4342\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-4342\" src=\"http:\/\/pages.vassar.edu\/rosso\/files\/2012\/04\/E.138-Venus-and-Minerva-Paris-223x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"223\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/pages.vassar.edu\/rosso\/files\/2012\/04\/E.138-Venus-and-Minerva-Paris-223x300.jpg 223w, https:\/\/pages.vassar.edu\/rosso\/files\/2012\/04\/E.138-Venus-and-Minerva-Paris-111x150.jpg 111w, https:\/\/pages.vassar.edu\/rosso\/files\/2012\/04\/E.138-Venus-and-Minerva-Paris-763x1024.jpg 763w, https:\/\/pages.vassar.edu\/rosso\/files\/2012\/04\/E.138-Venus-and-Minerva-Paris-400x536.jpg 400w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 223px) 100vw, 223px\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-4342\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">E.138 Anonymous, Venus and Minerva<\/p><\/div>\n<p>Etching, Anonymous, 29 x 21.4 S.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/pages.vassar.edu\/rosso\/files\/2012\/04\/E.138-Venus-and-Minerva-Paris.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">Fig.E.138<\/a> (Paris)<\/p>\n<p>COLLECTION: Paris, Biblioth\u00e8que Sainte-Genevi\u00e8ve, Est.15 R\u00e9s., f. 87; the image probably slightly cropped all around; several tears and parts missing at the upper left edge and at lower left, the composition made up in ink.<\/p>\n<p>LITERATURE:<\/p>\n<p>Viel, Jean, <em>Les estampes du XVI<sup>e<\/sup> si\u00e8cle d\u2019un fonds de la Biblioth\u00e8que Sainte-Genevi\u00e8ve (Armoire 8)<\/em>, Dipl\u00f4me Sup\u00e9rieur de Biblioth\u00e9caire, \u00c9cole Nationale Sup\u00e9rieur des Biblioth\u00e8ques, 1983 (typescript), no. 111, as after Rosso, and related to his fresco in the Gallery of Francis I.\u00a0 Viel believed it was by the same etcher who did Bartsch, XVI, 1818, 409-410, 84.<\/p>\n<p>Zerner, 1988, as done in the mid-1540s, as related to Rosso\u2019s fresco, and as after a lost drawing by Rosso not for this fresco but perhaps conceived as a pendant to his <em>Mars and Venus <\/em>drawing.<\/p>\n<p>B\u00e9guin, 1989, 837, noted an important iconographic difference in the relation of the putti to the book, and thought the architecture unlike Rosso\u2019s and the right side of the composition awkward.<\/p>\n<p>Boorsch, in <em>French Renaissance<\/em>, 1994, 231, n. 5, as perhaps by Master I.\u2640.V.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>As Viel and Zerner recognized, this etching shows basically the same composition as Rosso\u2019s large <em>Venus and Minerva<\/em> fresco in the Gallery of Francis I (<a href=\"http:\/\/pages.vassar.edu\/rosso\/files\/2011\/11\/P.22-I-N-a-Venus.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">Fig.P.22, I N a<\/a>), but in reverse.\u00a0 Thematically, the two scenes are more or less the same (for their small differences, see P.22). \u00a0What is significantly different is the format of the scenes, with the etching decidedly vertical and the fresco equally decidedly horizontal. \u00a0Zerner believed the etching was after a lost drawing by Rosso, and this is almost certainly the case, as is true of all the sixteenth century prints made of Rosso\u2019s compositions.\u00a0 Zerner suggested that the lost drawing was probably not made for the gallery but as a pendant to Rosso\u2019s <em>Mars and Venus<\/em> drawing and that then its composition was re-designed to accommodate it to the format of the large frescoes in the gallery.\u00a0 There is, however, no evidence that Rosso anywhere else utilized in the gallery a composition that he had originally invented for some other occasion, and I doubt that this etching is the unique surviving piece of data that indicates that he did.<\/p>\n<p>While Zerner saw that the print was of \u201cindifferent quality,\u201d he did not question the faithfulness of its composition to that of the lost drawing from which it was copied, and I also would not.\u00a0 Compared to the fresco, it shows no details that should be assigned to the etcher.\u00a0 The architecture is similar to what appears in the <em>Education of Achilles<\/em>, although it is there, at the left, Ionic, rather than Tuscan.\u00a0 But compared to the fresco, the thin forms of the figures in the etching suggest that the lost drawing was made earlier than the design of the fresco, closer, that is, to the time of the <em>Mars and Venus<\/em>, which, however, was made in Italy.\u00a0 The strip down the right side of the etching is not wholly understandable, nor is what appears at the upper left, but this is true of the entire setting of the frescoed scene, as well as the \u201cstage set\u201d of the <em>Education of Achilles<\/em>.\u00a0 I suggest that the drawing from which the etching was copied was made for a large vertical fresco in the Gallery of Francis I at the very beginning of work on the designs for this project, before the horizontal format of the large frescoes was decided upon. <a href=\"#endref1\"><sup>1<\/sup><\/a><\/p>\n<p>In this Phase I of 1531\/1532 to 1534, the general design of the whole decorative scheme of the gallery was being considered, preceding the beginning of the execution of the stuccoes.\u00a0 This included for a moment, it would seem from the evidence of the oval format of the copy of Rosso\u2019s drawing for the <em>Education of Achilles<\/em> (<a href=\"http:\/\/pages.vassar.edu\/rosso\/files\/2011\/12\/D.53-Education-of-Achilles.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">Fig.D.53<\/a>), that at least some of the large frescoes, in addition to the <em>Nymph of Fontainebleau<\/em> (<a href=\"http:\/\/pages.vassar.edu\/rosso\/files\/2012\/04\/E.103-Nymph-Paris-Ba-12.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">Fig.E.103<\/a>) and its replacement, Primaticcio\u2019s <em>Dana\u00eb<\/em>, would be horizontal ovals.\u00a0 There is an etching of a cartouche by Fantuzzi (<a href=\"http:\/\/pages.vassar.edu\/rosso\/files\/2012\/04\/E.87-Cartouche-Woman-Paris.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">Fig.E.87<\/a>), related to the <em>Cleobis and Biton<\/em> wall in the Gallery of Francis I (<a href=\"http:\/\/pages.vassar.edu\/rosso\/files\/2011\/06\/P.22-V-S-a-Cleobis.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">Fig.P.22, V S a<\/a>), that shows a vertical rectangle as the area for the central fresco (filled in the print by a landscape).\u00a0 It could be assumed, as I once did, that parts of the print are dependent upon a lost drawing by Rosso for the <em>Cleobis and Biton<\/em> wall and perhaps on other drawings by Rosso as well, but that their combination in the etching and the use of the central vertical rectangle were the work of Fantuzzi.\u00a0 This was also suggested by the fact that the wall area indicated in the etching seems too narrow in relation to the actual wall areas in the gallery.\u00a0 But this is only true if it is assumed that the wall area shown in the print is meant to be the same height as in the gallery.\u00a0 It is quite possible that at some early moment the decorated area of the walls in the gallery was to be higher and the wainscoting below shorter than finally was decided.\u00a0 Furthermore, some, at least, of the large frescoes may have been considered as upright rectangles.<\/p>\n<p>Therefore I suggest that the <em>Venus and Minerva<\/em> etching is based on a lost drawing by Rosso of 1531\/1532-1534 that was made for the Gallery of Francis I, and that was subsequently redesigned when the final format of the large frescoes was determined to be horizontal rectangles.<a href=\"#endref2\"><sup>2<\/sup><\/a><\/p>\n<div>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<hr align=\"left\" size=\"1\" width=\"33%\" \/>\n<div>\n<p><a name=\"endref1\"><\/a><sup>1<\/sup> Viel thought that the shape of the eyes in the print and the technique of the etching resemble those of an anonymous Fontainebleau print described by Bartsch (see above) as showing <em>The Betrothal of a Greek and a Young Woman<\/em> (Zerner, <em>IB<\/em>, 33, 1979, 359).\u00a0 But that print appears so much more accomplished than the anonymous <em>Venus and Minerva<\/em> that it is difficult to see that both could be by the same etcher, unless the latter print dates from a significantly different moment of his activity.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<p><a name=\"endref2\"><\/a><sup>2<\/sup> See also <a href=\"http:\/\/pages.vassar.edu\/rosso\/files\/2012\/04\/E.145-Cartouche-Roundels-Vienna.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">Fig.E.145<\/a>, related to the <em>Cleobis and Biton<\/em> wall, but where the anonymous etcher seems to have worked from a drawing for only the left side panel of this wall in the gallery, doubling it, reversing it, and creating a very narrow vertical area in the center of the print in which he placed a standing draped woman.\u00a0 This could reflect an original scheme in the gallery with a vertical fresco in the center of the wall.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Etching, Anonymous, 29 x 21.4 S. Fig.E.138 (Paris) COLLECTION: Paris, Biblioth\u00e8que Sainte-Genevi\u00e8ve, Est.15 R\u00e9s., f. 87; the image probably slightly cropped all around; several tears and parts missing at the upper left edge and at lower left, the composition made up in ink. LITERATURE: Viel, Jean, Les estampes du XVIe si\u00e8cle d\u2019un fonds de la [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":13,"featured_media":0,"parent":824,"menu_order":148,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"footnotes":""},"class_list":["post-4341","page","type-page","status-publish","hentry"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/pages.vassar.edu\/rosso\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/pages\/4341","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/pages.vassar.edu\/rosso\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/pages"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/pages.vassar.edu\/rosso\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/page"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/pages.vassar.edu\/rosso\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/13"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/pages.vassar.edu\/rosso\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=4341"}],"version-history":[{"count":12,"href":"https:\/\/pages.vassar.edu\/rosso\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/pages\/4341\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":7644,"href":"https:\/\/pages.vassar.edu\/rosso\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/pages\/4341\/revisions\/7644"}],"up":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/pages.vassar.edu\/rosso\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/pages\/824"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/pages.vassar.edu\/rosso\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=4341"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}